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David Muccigrosso's avatar

I think this misses the forest for the trees.

As you correctly note, the underlying intent is fascist.

But the core problem of fascism is that it dresses itself up in legalisms so as to appear just barely plausible to the public.

The fact is, the national guard of a state has never been deployed against another since the Civil War— Ike used Arkansas’ own guard when he mobilized them, as has every other postbellum president.

Another bare, plain fact is, Trump is trying to provoke a response, as pretext for further escalation.

But beyond that, all of these deployments are pretextual. If we could somehow magically have a fully drawn-out trial of each and every fact and element of these deployments by a SCOTUS that wasn’t afraid of him — heck, even just the *conservative-majority* Bush SCOTUS of 20 years ago — nearly ALL of these deployments would be ruled against Trump as unconstitutional.

JVL at the Bulwark had a good point the other night: Fascism doesn’t ever make one big unconstitutional power grab that can be comfortably opposed. By the time things are unrecognizably broken and well outside the bounds of the original constitution, it’s too late.

This is fascism. Your mistake, IMO, is hinging it on whether their insane legal theories are remotely plausible, not whether they’re attempting fascism.

Because fascists don’t just give up after one failure. They keep coming. They already tried in LA this year, and then they moved on.

How many cities will it take? How many escalations and clear civil rights violations by ICE — violations which these deployments are in service of “protecting” — will it take?

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J. Ricardo's avatar

I agree it’s not fascist, but obviously, I think getting hung up on whether something is quote unquote ‘fascist’ is an incomplete framing.

I know you’re not underselling the authoritarian nature of Trump, but I feel like the ‘fascist’ question is similar to when people argue over whether something is ‘terrorism’ or not. Or whether something is a ‘genocide’ or not. The people that get the most hung up on whether we should or shouldn’t using a specific word to define something usually do so (on both sides) in order to obscure rather than illuminate.

Let’s pretend the word ‘fascist’ never existed. What is Trump doing? We all know what he’s doing, both his supporters and his detractors. The shit that he’s doing is almost EXACTLY the type of shit that Trump opponents said he would do. And when they said he would do these exact things, many/most Trump supporters would accuse that person of being ‘hysterical’ or having TDS.

The fact of the matter is that Trump opponents who were called ‘hysterical’ in the past have been proven correct every step of the fucking way. It’s actually amazing the degree to which Trump opponents have been correct. To be clear, I’m talking about normal people that fall to the left and right of center. The Trump opponents have been proven correct.

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